However, considering the frequency with which counties were reassigned between different nobles in the Carolingian kingdom of the West Franks in the late 8th and 9th centuries, an unbroken succession of counts from the same family is unlikely.
"Pippinus rex Francorum" confirmed a donation to Fulrad Abbot of Saint-Denis by charter dated 1 Mar 752 which names "fidelibus nostris Milone, Rotgario, Cheimgaudo, Crothardo, Gerichardo, Autgario et Wiberto comite palatii nostri"), the bishopric was vacant for some years due to conspiracies and quarrels (annos aliquos, propter imminentes seditiones et rixas) during which time "Rothgarius quidam comes et filius eius Karivius" held power in the bishopric. The Actus pontificum Cenomannis records that, during the period when "Rothgarius quidam comes et filius eius Karivius" held power in the bishopric, against the wishes of the people they sent "quendam...clericum inlitteratum et indoctum, qui filius erat Rothgarii et frater Hervei...
Grifo rebelled yet again, in alliance with the Bretons.
Einhard records that his mother incited Grifo to rebel against his half-brothers, during the course of which Carloman imprisoned Grifo "in Novo-castello...juxta Arduennam", adding that it was said that Grifo remained imprisoned there until Carloman left for Rome (dated to late 747, see below).
He invaded Bavaria where he was recognised as duke in 748 in succession to Duke Odilo, but was deposed by Ppin who installed their nephew Tassilo III as duke. ] du Mans [748/49]: according to the Royal Frankish Annals, in 748 Ppin granted Grifo the duchy of Mans and twelve counties in Neustria, although the source does not identify these counties more precisely.
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It is possible that the wife of Comte Rainulf was the same person as the daughter named [Bilichildis] (see above), who would have been recently widowed at the time of Rainulf's marriage. Rorgo comes donated property to the abbey of Saint-Maur-sur-Loire in which germanus noster Gausbetus..filium nostrum Gauslinum followed the religious life, confirmed by Dodon Bishop of Anjou by charter dated 1 Mar 839 (-after 1 Mar 839).
Rorgo comes donated property to the abbey of Saint-Maur-sur-Loire in which germanus noster Gausbetus..filium nostrum Gauslinum followed the religious life, confirmed by Dodon Bishop of Anjou by charter dated 1 Mar 839, signed by Rortgonis comitis, Bilechildis uxoris eius, Gausberti fratris eius...
Considering later examples of the increase in status of some seigneuries into counties, without any formal grants, after they were acquired by individuals who already enjoyed comital status elsewhere (a good example being Alenon in Normandy), the second possible explanation appears more likely.
In both cases the appointments were short-lived, which also suggests that no permanent elevation to ducal status took place.
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